OUR PLACE AND OTHER ABUSIVE ABUSE SUPPORT SITES: 1/3/10

“I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere.” – Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel.

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I've been monitoring ie interfering at Our Place, The Next Right Choice and the Catbox... .and i notice that the abusive spews have dropped off considerably... as has new membership... i'm sure they're very upset with me.....how DARE i, yada yada yada...i believe a better question would be....how DARE THEY sucker in abuse victims....and start abusing them, controlling them and forcing them to drink their SNAKE OIL??!!.....hey, if some of those bitches want to take the credit for thier own abuse, want to take repsonsibility for some piece of lowlife shit who would abuse a ROCK if nothing else was available.....and flagellate themselves incessantly over their participation in their abusive situations...then i'm not opposed to it.....in some of their cases i'm actually all in IN FAVOR OF IT....but i do oppose them projecting and forcing THEIR BULLSHIT onto ME!!!....and onto other innocent women who stumble into those little nests of vipers.....

on Our Place there have been no attacks launched on the NEW VICTIM of an abuser since Lily's charming 'boil her in oil' comment made the front page of my blog....that topic...http://forums.our-place-online.net/index.php?showtopic=4379 has since been removed!!...no doubt for the safety of the posters!!..ie.......to cover the abusive tracks of the abusive bitches!!...abusive posts being removed!!...looks like they're taking my crackpot blog seriously enough to remove some of their own abusive posts!!!....this is VERY GOOD NEWS....the bad news is, bitches... in the future i will include SCREEN SHOTS of your spews, to prevent the rewriting of history...... :)

and Tallulah has been driven to post her attacks on me at an obscure blog maintained by someone who herself was so abusive she was banned from the Catbox administrative team after Irene caught her and Moongoddess attacking members in not-so-private emails...

these are little victories... they've had to tone down their abuse... they've been driven into dark corners, or into their secret forum... where at least no one can see their hateful abusive diatribes...

their new membership has gone down to a trickle... and that trickle is likely pure fabrication... they've been known to invent new members........

how's it feel, LADIES???... for years you attacked abused women... openly and willfully... while CENSORING them... controlling their ability to defend themselves from your attacks... how does it feel to have to watch what you say???... .WALK ON EGGSHELLS??? ...

how's it feel to be MUZZLED??.. how do you like finding out that although you could slander me on your own nasty little abusive forums... and still try to attack and discredit me anywhere you can, in any way you can... out here in the DAYLIGHT, away from your little pack of Jackals... people are seeing how abusive YOU are????.

abusers don't stop abusing... i can only wonder who you'll turn it on now... the HOMELESS?... BEGGARS ??... will you start TAUNTING street people for not 'trying hard enough'???... you probably already do, when you think no one is watching... .frankly, my dears,....i suggest cannibalism....it's always the next right choice!! :)

i'll be watching you on those forums... every single day... .and anytime i see you treating other people the way you treated me and others... i'm going to post it here... and attack you for it... just like you attacked ME.. for being sad... for being angry... for missing my home... for refusing to take the blame for my abuse. for refusing to feel SORRY for the bastard who murdered my dog..for refusing to reduce myself to magical thinking...for refusing to be a coward..... for refusing to be further abused by a bunch of hateful bitches who aren't much better than the psychopath himself..

i haven't been able to SHUT YOU DOWN, yet, but it does look like i've been able to SHUT SOME OF YOU UP........and i'm going to stay right here....and i'm going to keep doing it.....one of you sanctimonious bitches asked me how i, as an abuse survivor intend to help other abuse victims........well, this is HOW, bitches....by unmasking ONE LYING MANIPULATING ABUSIVE NARCISSISTIC FAUX ABUSE VICTIM AT A TIME.......you never liked me on those forums because i wouldn't just shut up take your abuse and drink your venom laced kool aid.......so.....HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW????

UPDATE!!

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LOOK!! a new and improved Tallulah!!! this is from Our Place yesterday....

Welcome, Buckeye!Narcissistic/Borderline Personality Disorders are really NOT treatable. They can't change. They're sociopaths. Read everything you can find on these disorders. Trust me on this. You can feel sorry for him but do it at a distance. A GREAT distance. Tallulah

wow...great advice....NARCISSISTIC/BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDERS aren't treatable!!...they can't change!!....finally....speaking from her OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.....as a NARC!!...what a miraculous turnaround from the venom she was spewing at me just the day before!!!....

and in the same post Lily was quoting the Bible instead of looking for flammable liquids and a lighter!!.....

NOW THIS IS MORE LIKE IT!!!....TOTALLY FAKE...but an improvement nonetheless......

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BEN - killed on 2/14/2007

MURDERED BY MY PSYCHOPATH HUSBAND

smothered to death in his own bed

i will not forgive and i will not forget

i love you BEN

justice will be served

“I do not bring forgiveness with me, nor forgetfulness.
The only ones who can forgive are dead; the living have no right to forget."
- Chaim Herzog

i've said before how i just LOVE to quote members of Our Place, The Next RightChoice , and the Catbox... because it makes it very hard for them to deny how nasty and abusive they REALLY are...

Tallulah...aready named here as a charter member of the PIRAHNA'S CLUB... a woman who is so desperate for a man that she finds a dog murdering predator 'attractive'..(see DOG MURDERING predator below)..however, it's becoming more clear all the time how much she and the narcissistic, self absorbed, selfish, withholding piece of shit PSYCHOPATH actually have in common....Tallulah is a turbo charged, misanthropic, rocket fueled, huge, throbbing AYN RANDORRHOID!!...who considers herself a SUPERIOR BEING...well, Tallulah, you're a SUPERIOR HYPOCRITE, and a SUPERIOR BITCH...wonder how all those abused women you consider to be BENEATH YOU are going to like you NOW! ..now that they know what you REALLY think of them and their PROBLEMS...now that they'll know how you BEGRUDGE them any help they receive!!!

Tallulah has recently shown a little more of her true self... she is a longtime member of The Next Right Choice... a vapid little online tea party for back-stabbing bitches thinly disguised as a 'forum for living well'... the premise of that pile of bullshit they espouse is 'choices'... everyone has 'choices'... lots and lots and lots of 'choices'... everything that happens to a victim of abuse is by 'choice'... they 'choose' how they react to abuse... they 'choose' whether to forgive and forget and get back to the business of 'living well'... that said, you're about to see what a total hypocrite Tallulah is...

i have been posting on a little blog set up by a disgruntled banned administrator of the Catbox... i won't provide a link or give the name of the blog, as it would just feed another Ayn RANDORRHOID vampire....... Tallulah, always looking for a pot of shit to stir, quickly appeared there... calling herself Mata Hari! ... Mata Hari... a double agent... spy... prostitute... interesting CHOICE of names...

i was posting about poverty and homelessness in the United States... how shameful it is... how widespread it is... and how ignored it is...

i was also saying, that as a VICTIM OF ABUSE... that because i am now in poverty, as are so MANY victims of domestic violence... and that because i have no health insurance... that i have no access to any decent therapy for my complex PTSD... or, as a single woman, access to any sort of medical care at all... or any government aid, except for food stamps.... this is what that kind, caring , alleged victim of domestic abuse,Tallulah, had to say...

Re: nothing to do but let them go
mata_hari41
2009-12-30 02:11 pm (UTC)
"How DARE people seeking help, ask for help on THEIR TERMS!!"

How dare ~YOU~ expect top of the line, top notch help simply for the fact that you can't afford to pay for ANY help whatsoever!

"Gee, I can't afford even a 1970 Pinto, therefore, you OWE ME a fvcking MERCEDES."

Pleeezzz. Pffft.How does that saying go??? Oh yeah. *BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS."

And you, [confederaterebel], have the temerity to quote Ayn Rand??? LOL! You'll have her spinning in her grave.

YES, Tallulah; i have not only the temerity to quote that amphetamine popping, bullshit spewing narcissistic BITCH, Ayn Rand.....i also have the temerity to quote YOU!!..

and there you have it... how DARE i, or anyone, including any victim of domestic violence expect decent help?... if a victim can't afford to PAY for help... she is not deserving of any... that's the REAL Tallulah... her REAL OPINIONS... unvarnished... she wasn't censoring herself there... this was spouted on a blog where she thought no one else would ever see or know what a hateful, selfish, abusive bitch she really is... in a lame attempt to lash out at me and taunt me about my poverty........

you would think a TRULY abused woman would have a little more compassion and sympathy for other abused women, wouldn't you?......you wouldn't think a REAL abuse victim would begrudge other victims having access to decent help and services, would you??....

isn't it IRONIC... that a member of Our Place and The Next Right Choice... where all they talk about is CHOICE... would turn around and say that BEGGARS can't be CHOOSERS... that a woman who gets on those forums and goes on and on about how victims deserve so much better doesn't REALLY seem to think victims deserve anything at all??!

now, is it just me... or does that bitch appear to have no compassion or empathy or caring for anyone??...other than her Ayn Randroid SELF....

below are quotes from research into domestic violence in MICHIGAN... which should be of particular interest to Tallulah/ Mata Hari... but apparently is of no interest at all:

Of current welfare recipients in Michigan, 63% have experienced physical abuse, and 51% have experienced severe physical abuse in their lifetimes.

Physical abuse/being afraid of someone was cited as the primary cause of homelessness in Michigan.

Over 50% of all homeless women and children REPORTED being victims of domestic violence.

Reasearch shows that a variety of factors contribute to the poverty of women and children who have experienced domestic violence, including lack of affordable housing,and lack of accessibity to legal assistance.

Some of the most signifigant factors are barriers to employment. These barriers consist of, among others: Psychological effects of domestic violence (PTSD, depression and anxiety)

these are facts... women who are victims of domestic violence often are driven into poverty... and yet, they still need HELP... in order to get proper treatment for PTSD, a victim needs to work with a therapist well trained in the effects and treatment of PTSD.... and yet... Tallulah/Mata Hari seems to resent any domestic violence victim having access to QUALITY care... because 'BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS'...

so... she is in effect, espousing DENYING victims of domestic violence any HOPE for decent help unless they can afford to PAY for it... and yet... in another post to me....here's what she had to say...

mata_hari41
2009-12-21 05:24 am (UTC)
No, there are THREE camps.
Inferno
Purgatory
Paradise

[confederaterebel] dwells in the Inferno. "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

look at that hypocritical spew!!. she wants to deny hope to victims of domestic violence... and then wants to BERATE, CHASTISE AND TAUNT a victim for having no hope!!. this is about as abusive as it gets!!. looks like Tallulah/Mata Hari wants to reside in PARADISE (the self serving, Ayn Rand version)... while letting other abuse victims who are in poverty, rot in Hell...

an abusive, self serving, selfish, bitch who wants domestic violence victims who are living in poverty due to domestic violence to not have access to good quality medical and psychiatric care because they are POOR... and therefore 'beggars can't be choosers'... who then taunts me when i say i have no hope... which is what she wants for ALL domestic violence victims... and then attacks me for quoting her PERSONAL SAVIOR Ayn Rand, whose words she seems to think she owns the copyrights to...

the Ayn Rand quote in question is:

'we can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of reality'

Tallulah/ Mata Hari... i guess your hero Ayn Rand must have been talking about YOU...

because although you attempt to CONCEAL the REALITY of you being a cold hearted, callous, selfish, petty misanthrope; who doesn't want domestic violence victims to have access to decent care, due to their POVERTY... you cannot EVADE the CONSEQUENCES of that REALITY... because here are the CONSEQUENCES... you've been OUTED... as a self serving, self absorbed, selfish, two faced, abusive, NARCISSISTIC, AYN RAND WORSHIPPING, IGNORANT BITCH...

and you've outed yourself......... with your own words...

she (and her Narc bitch sisters on the Our Place & Next Right Choice sooper secret forums where they bash abused women behind their backs) will no doubt be glad to know that the insurance industry is behind her all the way in keeping domestic violence victims 'beggars' who cannot ever be 'choosers':

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/October/07/Domestic-

Abuse.aspx

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UPDATE!!!

here's another recent bit of insight into Tallulah's opinions on the poor, the homeless and the unemployed... it's true what they say about Narcs... they don't read the papers or watch the news... they already know everything about

everything!!.. i'm sure her personal savior Ayn Rand would be quite proud of this spew:

Re: upsetting your own rotten apple cart......
mata_hari41
2010-01-02 08:58 pm (UTC)
The downtrodden dirt poor ignorant don't have many choices other than begging.

People with ~intelligence~, such as yourself, Mary, DO. YOU have OPTIONS because you have a brain in your head.

there is it... in her opinion... the 7.5 MILLION people in America who are unemployed or severely disabled... and the 48 MILLION who live in POVERTY... and the MILLIONS of homeless whose numbers are growing by the day... it's all because of THEIR IGNORANCE!!!. wow... BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS... BECAUSE THEY'RE IGNORANT!!!...

how many (according to mata hari) IGNORANT (ie: unemployed or disabled) people are reading my blog?... i'm so offended by this spew i can't quite put it into words!!. this is the pinnacle of NOT-ME, arrogant , haughty magical thinking... nope... it won't happen to HER... because she's INTELLIGENT... i like the way she spins it....sucking up a little... .saying that i COULD DO BETTER... because i'm not like all those other IGNORANT PEOPLE... because i have INTELLIGENCE... geez... this bitch for sure needs to be dropped from a helicopter into Appalachia...

i've come back to this...because this one is really crawls my ass like cheap underwear......the ol bait and switch....HELEN KELLER could see through THIS crap, Tallulah!!...let's for once not allow a NARC to rewrite history....let's glace back .....this started with her posting to me that i DWELL IN THE INFERNO...not too chummy a post....then it escalates to BEGGARS (me) CAN'T BE CHOOSERS...a very nasty post... add this in with SEVERAL MORE NASTY POSTS in which she adamantly defends finding the son of a bitch who murdered my beloved dog, and tried twice to murder me, ATTRACTIVE, and slimes me with the standard abuser ploy of calling me CRAZY when i refuse to back down.........and then she pulls the old gaslighting bait and switch (yawn).....i lived with the GRAND ZEN MASTER of abusers...and while suffering through that abuse...i managed to LEARN a little about how he operates.....which is the SAME WAY Tallulah is operating IN THESE POSTS....she is relentlessly abusive to me....and then....the bitch attempts to FLATTER me...and suggests that we're somehow 'in the same boat'......WRONG!!!!.....we're not even on the same planet, Tallulah.... we're not even the same SPECIES....you're a NARCISSISTIC ABUSER....

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YET ANOTHER UPDATE!

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it seems that although Tallulah believes that BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS... she doesn't have any problem with CHOOSING HER BEGGARS!!... yes... in order for a beggar to have money bestowed upon them by Tallulah... they must pass a rigorous inspection process... to determine if they are worthy of her benevolence!!!!

Re: money
mata_hari41
2010-01-03 09:10 pm (UTC)
Where is this going, Mary? Where? WHERE? Me, Bink, YOU, we'd lost everything. Hit rock bottom. Had our teeth proverbially knocked out and our noses metaphorically broken. What part of poverty & humiliation do you think we don't get? O fuck. We get it. Yes we do.

We also get that, with humiliation comes humility and the latter is a GOOD thing. A few weeks ago I was in downtown Ann Arbor. A woman approached me. She smiled at me and commented on how 'chilly' the weather was and then she asked me for a dollar. I gave it to her. Of course.

A few weeks later I was walking down the same Ann Arbor street. There was a man on the corner requesting money, a homeless man. There was hostility and resentment in his eyes and words. I walked past him twice and NO I didn't give him a fucking cent. Almost did, but I thought, NO, people who want to make a sale DON'T do it that way.

let's see... 'what part of poverty and HUMILIATION do you think we don't get'... so then she's strolling through Ann Arbor... comes across a beggar willing to SMILE in exchange for a dollar... a CHEERFUL BEGGAR...so she throws her a buck, and no doubt made the woman sign a receipt for it... then a couple of weeks later... strolling through Ann Arbor again... she comes upon another BEGGAR... 'hostility and resentment in his eyes'... yikes... can't imagine someone in poverty, having to beg on the street in the wealthiest nation in the world not having a CHEERFUL ATTITUDE about it...

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this of course doesn't sit well with SAINT TALLULAH... he apparently didn't have enough humility to suit her... so she... to quote her... 'DIDN'T GIVE HIM A FUCKING CENT'... because... 'PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE A SALE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY'!!!!!! WELL... i'm surprised a SMILE would suffice... i'm surprised SAINT TALLULAH doesn't require the BEGGARS SHE CHOOSES to be in blackface... tap dancing and singing DIXIE!!... she's looking for a lot of humility in a beggar... but she doesn't really seem to have all that much herself... especially for considering humility to be a GOOD THING...

gee... i'd say that 'what part of poverty and HUMILIATION ' she doesn't get is ALL PARTS OF IT!!!!! forget Appalachia... she needs to be parachuted into Ethiopia... with only a 5,000 dollar prepaid Starbucks card and a tube of Estee Lauder Sun Block... oh yeah... and some humility...

Tallulah then went on to insinuate that by me making statements concerning poverty... that of myself and others... that i am somehow SOLICITING money!!.

(please take note of how her behavior toward me has changed YET AGAIN....she tries the old tired gaslighting routine.....'we've all been there...you're intelligent'.....the bitch obviously doesn't think i'm too very intelligent....or she wouldn't be pulling this kind of bullshit!!...and now it's back to i'm a beggar who can't be a chooser...because of MY BAD ATTITUDE..that i can't find decent help because of MY BAD ATTITUDE...wonderful, benevolent saints like herself refuse to offer me help because of MY bad attitude....here's my bad attitude, Tallulah...go shove a dollar up your own sanctimonious ass!!)

the greedy are always paranoid that someone is out to fleece them of their dollar!!.. get a grip, Tallulah... AND... it's at your favorite victim hunting ground... Our Place... that the very FIRST thing you see is a PAYPAL BUTTON!!!

'abandon your debit card pin, ye who enter there'... right Tallulah???. hahahahahahahahahaha

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AND NO MATTER WHAT THE BITCH TALLULAH BELIEVES... this is BEN... he was the love of my life... he was 15 years old... the psychopath that Tallulah INSISTS is so attractive smothered BEN to death on his own bed... on Valentines Day... February 14, 2007...

apparently this doesn't bother her a bit...
apparently NOTHING much bothers Tallulah the Ayn Randroid.....

BEN 2/14/2007

smothered to death in his own bed on Valentine's Day

MURDERED by the PSYCHOPATH Mike McGrannahan

mommy always loves you BEN,
i will not let him get away with murdering you

i promise

“I do not bring forgiveness with me, nor forgetfulness.The only ones who can forgive are dead; the living have no right to forget."
- Chaim Herzog

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and THIS is the nasty dog murdering piece of psychopathic FILTH that murdered BEN...
the piece of scum that Tallulah KNOWS is a murdering PSYCHOPATH yet still finds so ATTRACTIVE...